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Daggpil

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Hello,

I just got this to my collection. The hilt bears traces of silverplating in the deeper parts so I assume that the whole hilt once was plated.

The blade seems to be for a French officer with "Vive Le Roy"

The hilt looks very much like the Prussian M 1732 but the crowned Lion sets it apart. To what I have found it should be from Hessen-Kassel. Any thoughts on that?
Best regards /Ulrik S

05.05.22, 15:34:35

joehau

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Ich weiß nicht, ob der Korb etwas mit Hessen zu tun hat. Mit der Klinge eher nicht.

Auf der Klinge befindet sich das Wappen der französischen Bourbonen Könige,
also liegt der Herstellungszeitraum der Klinge wahrscheinlich vor 1792 oder
zwischen dem 11.04.1814 und 20.03.1815.


Hersteller:
Daniel Kirschbaum manufacturier d'armes blanches de La marque aux Raisin a Sohlingen


I don't know whether the lion in the basket has anything to do with Hesse.
On the blade is the coat of arms of the French Bourbon kings, so the production
period of the blade is probably before 1792 or between 04/11/1814 and 03/20/1815.


05.05.22, 20:48:12

infanterieoffizier

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This is a French blade but a Hessen-Kassel hilt. For me the question is whether the hilt is original 18th century or a 20th century manufacture. Anyway nice and decorative

05.05.22, 22:22:46

Zietenhusar

(Supporter)

Hello Ulrik,

many thanks for presenting your Pallasch here in the forum. To steer the discussion in the right direction, the weapon must be considered as a whole. With your consent, I allow myself to show the photo of the peen here.

This non-contemporary peen does not state that the hilt and blade were married, but neither does it rule it out.

Best regards,
Thomas
====================0==
Hallo Ulrik,

vielen Dank für die Vorstellung Deines Pallaschs auch hier im Forum. Um die Diskussion in die richtige Richtung zu lenken, muss die Waffe insgesamt betrachtet werden. Dein Einverständnis vorausgesetzt, erlaube ich mir, das Foto der Vernietung hier zu zeigen.

Diese nicht zeitgenössische Vernietung sagt nicht aus, dass Griff und Klinge verheiratet wurden. Ausgeschlossen ist es aber nicht.

Viele Grüße,
Thomas

06.05.22, 04:46:11

Daggpil

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This is a French blade but a Hessen-Kassel hilt. For me the question is whether the hilt is original 18th century or a 20th century manufacture. Anyway nice and decorative


Thank you for your opinion. How do you determine if the hilt is old or newer? I assume that if has a certain "feel" if it is original. I comes from an old collection of swords, gathered in the 1940-1950 span, but there are of course not any "proof" of it being original. One thing worth mentioning is that if you wanted to falsify a hilt, would you go through the process of first silverplating and then make a artificial "wear" to it? Back in the 1940-1950s these things were not worth very much either, so tha trouble of making it vould not pay very well I guess.

Mfg/Ulrik

06.05.22, 08:14:01

infanterieoffizier

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Hello Ulrik,

there are several things I noted
1) The way how the hilt was assembled together (how it was not cast in one)
2) Casting holes in the hilt
3) Tooling traces as it seems on the pommel
4) A non-fitting grip

Of course it would be better to hilt the piece in ones hand, so please consider this a humble outside view

Frank

06.05.22, 22:24:11
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