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Pionierfaschinenmesser 1848 Schleswig-Holstein?????

Hier Fotos und eine Frage von einem dänischen Sammler:

Das gezeigte Faschinenmesser unterscheidet sich von den SH-Pionierfaschinenmesser u.a. durch Fehlen der seitlichen "Nase" an der Parierstange.

Was könnte das sein (Solinger Fehlguss mit abgefeilter Nase für einen Kleinstaat (evtl. Italien) oder...)???

Hier die Anfrage:



"Dear Mr. Carsten...

I have asked my friend, Mr. Peter Meihs if he knows the “variant” of the Schleswig-Holstein Pionier Faschinenmesser M1841 (top of photo), which is shown on the attached photos. Peter sent me your e-mail address and I take the liberty of sending you some information, hoping that you can tell me a little more about it (who has used it, what is the model No. etc). I have taken some pictures together with the ordinary Schleswig-Holstein Pionier Faschinenmesser M1841 (bottom of the photos) for comparison. The main difference between the two Faschinenmessers is the guard, where the “rest” for the thumb finger is removed on the “variant”. The guard itself is also a little more “S-shaped” than on the original and the colour of the brass is more red than on the original. Finally, the placing of the rivets is a little different.

Below please find some data:

Variant:

Weight: Ca. 1,2 kgs
Total length: 76,0 cm
Blade length: 61,3 cm
Blade width: 3,5 cm

Original M1841:

Weight: Ca. 1,2 kgs
Total length: 76,4 cm
Blade length: 61,3 cm
Blade width: 3,5 cm

From the above information I hope that you shall be able to help finding the answers to the questions.

I forgot to mention that the “variant” of Pionier Faschinenmesser is stamped: “Lüneschloss” (not P.D. Lüneschloss) on the right side and Solingen on the left side of the blade. However, the stamps are hidden below the guard, so they are very
difficult to see.

The original one has no manufacturer’s stamp on the blade.

I recently purchased the book: Faschinenmesser, Preussen, Sachsen, Bayern and Württemberg by Wolfgang Peter-Michel. When looking in this book, the Faschinenmesser shown on the attached photos looks mostly like
the Preussian M1787 n/A, however, the way of fixing the blade is not made by rivits.


Best regards,

Klaus Idorn

Denmark"


Auf den Fotos ist jeweils oben das fragliche und unten ein SH-Pionierfaschinenmesser zu sehen.


Grüße

Carsten




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