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Dragon

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Pallasch M 1728 and Pallasch ca. 1720/30:

04.09.09, 22:01:04

limone

(Super-Moderator)

Hello Dragon,

your foto had been a little dark, so I sharpened it a little bit and lightened it up.

Now the iron hilt is better to be seen.

Frans Løvschall shows a similar danish model and called it "Rytterpallask model 1734 (Cavalry Broadsword pattern 1734)": "Blade stiff and double-edged, flattened rib. Hilt of iron, knuckle-bow mortised into pommel. Thumb bow. Grooved grip covered with leather. 101,6 cm."

The hilt and the lines on it are a little bit different to yours.
Are there any marks or signs on your swords?

Regards

Carsten


     Fröhlich sein, Gutes tun, und die Spatzen pfeifen lassen...
05.09.09, 20:45:05

Dragon

(Mitglied)

Thank you Carsten ! below I have posted some photos of M 1734 variations. M 1734 with leather grip and M 1734 with wire wrap. M 1734 with two and three bars. As you know, in Denmark we are in reality seeing types and strive towards uniformity during the period rather than what we today call "model" arms.

"M 1734" variations (not mine):

05.09.09, 23:18:44

Dragon

(Mitglied)

The Pallasch that I have that you see posted above under my M 1728 differs to much from the "M 1734" variations in form and dimentions to fall under in under what I think we can call M 1734. It does have more in common with M 1726. The grip is larger and of the same shape as an M 1726 but with an shell where the M 1726 has an smoth surface. The blade and dimetions are considerably larger than on M 1734.

There is an number of danish Norwegian iron mounted Pallasch's that are not yet found in the literature, here is one more that is not in Danske Blankvapen or in earlier atemps on listing an cronoligy of Danish arms:

05.09.09, 23:18:44

Dragon

(Mitglied)

My subjective opinion on why this is the case is because Dansih collectors don't look to Norway where most of the older dansih arms is today. This because the danes sent old arms to Norway when they where beeing replaced in Denmark.

This photo is from the "back room" at Akershus castle in Oslo:

05.09.09, 23:18:44

Dragon

(Mitglied)

On the photo below you see my M 1728 Pallasch toghter with an variation with an considerably smaller hilt and shell. Also "unknown". This forum is the first place I have posted this photo. Collectors are talking about such an variation, and here it is:

05.09.09, 23:18:44

limone

(Super-Moderator)

Thank you for posting these interesting fotos and informations about this broadsword-pattern and its rare variations!

A service for those, who are not so familiar with danish-norwegian swords:
Beschreibung und Abbildung des Reiterpallaschs M 1734 finden sich u. a. bei
Frans Løvschall: Den Nye Th. Møller, Gamle Danske Militærvåben, Næstved 1998, S. 58f.

Friendly regards

Carsten




     Fröhlich sein, Gutes tun, und die Spatzen pfeifen lassen...
06.09.09, 12:48:14

Dragon

(Mitglied)

An nice M 1734 with three bars and C6 (1730-1746) mongram:

06.09.09, 19:17:01

limone

(Super-Moderator)

Dänische Truppen um 1750 (Knötel)

Vorne: Ein Reiteroffizier
Im Hintergrund: Ein Dragoner und zwei Infanteristen

Grüße

Carsten


     Fröhlich sein, Gutes tun, und die Spatzen pfeifen lassen...
06.09.09, 20:03:19

Dragon

(Mitglied)

Recently I was very fortunate and managed to acquire a M/1726 Pallasch. Number three from the top:



When including the other Pallasch photos in this thread most if not all the iron mounted Dansih Pallasch's should be represented freuen



19.12.09, 18:34:51
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